tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861197.post8946264631802685202..comments2023-06-27T16:51:05.805+02:00Comments on The Pangrammaticon: Dr. Emily Grossman Doesn't Know How the Internet WorksThomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04858865501469168339noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861197.post-31075406544924064622015-12-13T14:30:07.164+01:002015-12-13T14:30:07.164+01:00It seems to me that the so-called abuse is used as...It seems to me that the so-called abuse is used as a justification for shutting down any debate. She won't countenance any views that disagree with her own interpretation of events, even if they come from a woman. Ironically it was her failure to listen and concede that there were alternative explanations that was the driving force behind the Twitter backlash. I find her attitude very odd coming from a scientist. Scientists are trained in the scientific method which involves testing hypotheses. That requires looking for evidence to prove that you are wrong not cherry-picking evidence to support your beliefs!Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861197.post-7480871158553518822015-12-13T12:44:01.347+01:002015-12-13T12:44:01.347+01:00Following Grossman's discussion with Milo Yian...Following Grossman's discussion with Milo Yiannopoulos, Grossman claimed she had been on the receiving end of vile misogynistic abuse. Yiannopoulos investigated: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/11/why-do-feminists-cook-up-stories-about-misogyny-when-they-lose-debates/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861197.post-8576469041776175202015-12-13T09:57:46.384+01:002015-12-13T09:57:46.384+01:00I agree with you completely, Debbie. It was intere...I agree with you completely, Debbie. It was interesting to watch the audience's reactions to the debate and to imagine the equal and opposite reaction that his supporters have exhibited. There's the sense in which you and I think he won the argument, but then there are all the points each scored and all the "fouls" each committed according to their own particular audiences. It's a very strange rhetorical situation.<br /><br />For me the most telling moment is <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mbv4FfFlIk&feature=youtu.be&t=16m50s" rel="nofollow">16:50</a>, when she reads a comment and then says, "I disagree," and makes an argument against it. She is experiencing something she is capable of recognizing as actual intellectual disagreement as misogynistic abuse (even when it comes from women).<br /><br />Just as important was her puzzlement at being told that she would be "debating" the issue (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mbv4FfFlIk&feature=youtu.be&t=16m50s" rel="nofollow">3:40</a>). "It's kind of obvious what there is to say, surely," she says. Underneath this whole encounter and it's aftermath is what appears to be Grossman's sincere belief that there is no room to debate her views. And what he does is, of course, to treat her views precisely as beliefs worthy of debate and discussion.<br /><br />(This needs to become a post I can see.)Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04858865501469168339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861197.post-68494343439071849702015-12-13T02:26:43.147+01:002015-12-13T02:26:43.147+01:00I've only just got round to watching this inte...I've only just got round to watching this interview and I agree with your comments. I would have liked to have been able to read more of the tweets but the images were very fuzzy but the examples that she cites are very mild compared to the abuses suffered by Tim Hunt after the false reporting. Emily did not have journalists turning up at her home and trying to rake over her private life. She has not been forced to resign from any positions.<br /><br />I think it's also instructive to watch the original debate between Milo and Emily on Sky:<br /><br /><a href="https://youtu.be/kBiS4qTsjCg" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/kBiS4qTsjCg</a><br /><br />I'd never heard of either of them before but it seemed to me that Milo won the debate hands down. I was actually mildly offended at the way that Emily Grossman trying to stereotype nearly all women as lacking in confidence and not being able to cope with competition. It is also somewhat ironic that in the debate Emily was emphasising how important it was that people should have the ability to express the feelings, yet Tim Hunt did just that in his now infamous toast and was loudly denounced for doing so. There is a real need for a debate on such issues but I don't see how such a debate can ever happen when criticisms are interpreted as harassment and abuse.<br /><br />Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861197.post-30665215474080383222015-12-12T04:17:42.056+01:002015-12-12T04:17:42.056+01:00As a woman in science myself, I really wish Emily ...As a woman in science myself, I really wish Emily Grossman would STFU. The things she's said have been far more damaging to the image of women in science than Tim Hunt has been even if one were to assume that his infamous 39 words were deadly serious. Was Tim Hunt joking or serious when he said that women cry when criticized? Doesn't really matter what he SAID when Dr. Grossman, self identified female scientist, hasn't DONE anything BUT cry since her 'debate' on the subject of Tim Hunt. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com